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Here’s something I’ve been thinking about for quite a long time. I know what I want to say but I’m not sure how to put it in words. I survived Catholic School. That was a bumper sticker making it’s way around a few years back. It may still be around but I don’t know as I don’t get out much. But I did survive it. As I watch kids these days I wonder if some of the things I most resented about Catholic schools may have been a blessing in disguise.

In high school the boys were in one part of the school while the girls were across the street in another. Same campus, same studies, but boys over here and girls over there. I hated that. Here I was, blossoming into a screaming pile of adolescent hormones and the very focus of my life was across the street. How screwed up was that?

As it turned out, not screwed up at all. We still had plenty of time to socialize before and after school. There were no rules against that. There were Friday night football games and some kids would have parties at their houses after the games or on a Saturday night. It wasn’t as if there was no mingling of the sexes but being at school was all about being at school and we were there to study and learn. We were not there to socialize and show-off.

So maybe that was a good thing, I don’t know, but it seems as though it was. These days schools seem more a social event than a learning experience. The quest to learn has deteriorated to the point that schools lower test standards rather than raise expectations.

Corny stuff like multiplication tables, memorizing poetry, remembering historical dates, knowing the states and their capitals, art appreciation and music, spelling and syntax, all gone the way of the dinosaur. Teachers are afraid to challenge students but students don’t hesitate to challenge teachers.

I doubt I would have learned those things either if I spent my days being the class clown and chasing after the girls from one classroom to the next. Which girl was seeing which guy, who was going to be my next steady, all the things that school shouldn’t be about but seems to be these days. Learning has taken a back seat.

Having the girls in the classroom would have been an endless distraction. Speaking for myself, my every move would have been to impress the girls. No reason to try impressing the guys as most of them were as big a jerk as me. I always thought that the separation of boys and girls had to do with the Catholics being a bunch of prudes but it wasn’t. It was about keeping out the distractions. You were there to learn and they took that responsibility seriously. Think that would work today?

But wait! There’s more. I had another complaint and it was even bigger. It was right out in public and public school kids were relentless in their ridicule. It was those damned uniforms. I remember one year a friend of mine wanted to borrow one of my uniforms to wear out trick or treating. In grade school the uniform was dark blue trousers and a white shirt. The girls wore a white blouse and those pleated plaid skirts. In high school the boys added a tie. Remember ties?

If you are in high school these days and are somehow reading this post, I gotta tell you that you scare me. There is every chance that you are a nice boy or girl and wouldn’t hurt a flea but the clothes you wear are scary. Baggy britches, two or three ill-fitting shirts, untied shoes and the ever present chain dangling from somewhere, or something.

The girls aren’t much better. Pants with a waist down around, well let’s just say embarrassing low and grubby T-shirts with some unsavory comment silk screened on them. Oh yes, and tattoos. Lots of tattoos. More tattoos than even the gnarliest of sea dogs would sport.

In all of this let’s not forget the hardware. Metal stuck into and dangling from everywhere. Eyebrows, lips, tongues, cheeks, navels, ear lobes, every imaginable location. It’s like you have become the Shrapnel Generation. If all that regalia isn’t enough to impress everyone add the predictable shuffle. When you folks walk the halls of your school do you drag your feet like they are just too heavy to endure?

What if, and that’s a huge what if, what if school boards began a systematic introduction of uniforms? Kids can be awfully cruel and I’m sure there are many children teased about their clothes. I’m sure there is plenty of peer pressure to wear what has, somehow, become stylish. I can’t imagine the amounts of money parents shell out just to keep youngsters in scruffy clothes, tattoos and metal.

Maybe the catholic school had that in mind as well back in the day. There were no distinctions between rich kids and poor kids. Everybody wore the same thing. There were no gang emblems, no metal, no leather, no chains. Just kids wearing clothes that suggested they had some measure of self respect. Kids that seemed to know that a presentable image was a benefit to them.

Do you think it would work these days, or do you think the ACLU would be suing every school board in the country. What about free expression? Why can’t we be who we are? We have a right to look and dress like street urchins. What’s happening to our rights, don’t they even matter?

What’s happening to your education, doesn’t that even matter?

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Well, the catholic school uniforms do level the playing field so to speak. However, I don't think how one dresses has anything to do with ones ability to learn. I've met some really bright kids that probably could put me to shame and they looked...well...scary.

Kids today, my Grandchildren included, spend too much time on the internet playing games and talking in shorthand, rather than reading books. The lack of a dress code does have it's effect, but I'm more inclined to feel that the internet and certain of it's practices has much to do with the dumbing down of todays education system. I read blogs here that have included such things as: "I doan care ne more ppl". What's up with that?

Sherry
 
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by Sherry'sCherries (PM , CC ) on Monday October 23, 2006 @ 8:26 PM




Great post, Lag. It seems that every generation freaks out the previous generation. Remember our parents reactions to Elvis and The Beatles? To the "cool" clothing of our day? To the long hair? I do get freaked out by the extremism shown in what is considered "cool" today. I shudder to think what the next generation will look like if the trend continues.  
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by Fuzzy (PM , CC ) on Monday October 23, 2006 @ 9:10 PM




Excellent post! Accolades!
I tread here as you have me in your book marks as I have you in my Book Of Imps I tread only where invited.

Being from the ancient times where and when I became a Fallen Angel I can answer or vocalize my opinion only from my Soul stealing perch.

It is called breakdown of society as a whole not to exclude morals what was the meaning of that word? Morals they ask what is that?

While Lucifer is not Catholic Lucifer observes an has done so throughout the times.

Those were the days. Nuns cracked your knuckles when you need it no one dare open their mouth they knew they deserved it!

Uniforms as I have seen them through their progressions of the decades and centuries in the format in which you speak of them were a good thing for sure. You may not know this yet in some of the high crime areas they have once again been implemented as attire for those attending school so as to knock down the rich VS poor as well as gang you can tell by looking at the clothing analogies.

Lucifer personally highly adores the piercing's & tattoo's though as I have seen them as a statement of self identity throughout the history of man kind so as to include it is a form of personalization.

In my worldly travels of Millenniums Lucifer has seen many cultures exhibit themselves in this manner as pride as well as identity.

Lucifer would go on & on but shall not.

Catholicism as it were even forty years ago would be a good thing why even then the Priest's warned people of me. Not today though my Imp as society has made sure of that.

All things that worked have been stripped out of society so that myself and those like me including the breakdown of societies as a whole will eventually be the demise of mankind. The mortals shall self destruct especially if they keep the folks numb & dumb.

Thank you Sir for another thought provoking post from another intelligent Man & Keeper Of Souls through thoughts not thought control.


 
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by Lucifer (PM , CC ) on Monday October 23, 2006 @ 9:48 PM




Sherry, I don’t think clothing is a measure of one’s ability to learn either. But I do think a uniform, or at least a dress code, would lend to an atmosphere more condusive to learning. A stable, more subdued, less erratic decorum.

Your observations around the internet are well founded and I would anticipate your post on that subject. Sounds like it would be a winner and open to many a discussion and talking point.

But what about boys on one side and girls on the other? Think that would help things?
 
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by lagniappe (PM , CC ) on Tuesday October 24, 2006 @ 1:04 AM




Fuzzy! Welcome Back. (you knew that was coming). The next generation will be something akin to the cavemen in the Geico commercials. I remember my parents dismay at our antics but we still believed in educating ourselves. What troubles me most is, as your seat-mate above said in her comment, the dumbing down. I think that an 8th grader in 1960 was better educated than a 12th grader today.  
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by lagniappe (PM , CC ) on Tuesday October 24, 2006 @ 1:06 AM




Lucifer! I genuflect amidst your aura. Not to seem impertinent but I have always thought you a Catholic. Your visions expand me. I knew not of the uniform installations and am inspired by their resurrection.

My humility increased, I defer to your wisdom as to the personalization obtained through both inked and metalled individuals. The imps of which you speak, and of which I am peripherally subscribed, have indeed abandoned the caveat of the clergyman.

I believe in the mortal’s self destruction which you herald and will be recognized upon my arrival by the handbasket carrying my countenance downward.

“The infernal serpent. He it was whose guile, stirred up with envy and revenge, deceived the mother of mankind”, shall be the woven wicker epitaph.
 
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by lagniappe (PM , CC ) on Tuesday October 24, 2006 @ 1:08 AM




Shall I be the oppisite side of this debate for you Lagniappe? As a friend of mine who I debated this same issue with many years ago stated
the whole uniform theory while in intentions would bring forth a calm peaceful pause in society the whole uniform code in general also brings forth the breakdown of society in the meaning that it leads to the dictatorship of old world now follow me for just a minute as i travel Uniforms lead to people not being their own individual person wich leads to marches and drills and all though this will lead to respect and discipline as I have stated to you It will also eliminate the person individuality by opression the same opression that Hitler talked about in his book Mein Kampf.

All though I agree things will be beter if we could magically wave a wand and be put back into the time of Leave it to beaver where young Boys was tought by their fathers to be men and young girls was tought to be women by their mothers where all we had to worry about was the deamons with in but even then the whole discipline, self values, and respect wasnt left up to the schools to teach but up to the families the mother and the father you see if we want to start with the break down of society we have to look a little closer to home we need to educate at home we need to take a few leassons from not the osbornes
or what ever television show that shows families not geting along and
parents that have no love for each other and instead take a few leassons from Ward and June cleaver who seamed to have it right with
values and discipline and all though we can still look back sand say what a wonderful world I say we need to look today toward the way we have let our complacency and ignorance rule our live take for example
when we have to serve our kids tv dinners and let the television raise our kids instead of searving our children with holsome meals at the dinning room table all though we would love to be transported into pleasantville reality we will never be in that place again

I hope I havent talked my self into a cicle but usually im not able to be on the computer this late but im staying with my sister and her family for a week to help out in their home. and so this being way past my usual posting time my mind isnt quite working right.

And so now that I found you Ill bm you and come back by to leave more later as not to wear you out with my rants tonight I agree with alot you have on here but i only offer the other side of the debate as food for thought no disrespect intended

Bright blessing
Dusk Scorpion

Ps My friend Mistress reba highly recomends your blog and I agree you have by far one of the best thought ful blogs out there with no drama
so bye for now
Dusk
 
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by Dusk Scorpion (PM , CC ) on Tuesday October 24, 2006 @ 3:05 AM




Lag,

I didn't voice an opinion about the boy/girl separation because I went to public schools where the separtion did not exist and the boys in my time learned as well as the girls. I believe that a boy was valedictorian of my graduating class, and our local Catholic schools did not, to the best of my knowledge separate the genders.

Parents were more involved in the raising and education of the kids then and I have to say that some of the attitudes today may exist because parents place more emphasis on outside activities than they do on school work. Soccer and other sports appear to be so much more important to todays parent.

Sherry
 
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by Sherry'sCherries (PM , CC ) on Tuesday October 24, 2006 @ 7:46 AM




Well that's interesting. I heard recently that the ACLU was trying to work their way into the Catholic schools as well (Thank you, California!) Seems that one kid sneezed, a second said "God bless you", and the third called an attorney. Neitche said that God's dead. He's really just under house arrest, though. Lag, I think that we're seeing the final taboo, and when we've finished taking God away from our kids, we'll have finished creating a generation of Godless kids. Bummer, hm?  
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by Kristin (PM , CC ) on Tuesday October 24, 2006 @ 1:11 PM




P.S... I also assumed that Lucifer was Catholic. Or behind the whole sunrise mass thing, at least.  
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by Kristin (PM , CC ) on Tuesday October 24, 2006 @ 1:15 PM




hey

I also went to a private Christian school until I was in the ninth grade. While boys and girls were in the same classes our education was personal, meaning we went off of paces and we all went at our own pace. Like I could be in the same grade as the person sitting next to me, but I would be three or four paces ahead of them in math, but they would be three or four ahead of me in science...the thing was we didn't talk about it. We all went at our own pace, and never was taught by a teacher standing in the front of the class. We read our own lessons, graded our own work, and decided when we were ready for a test. And SURPRISE, we were really good at it. I don't ever remember a single person not completeing the correct amount of work or being held back!

I too wore uniforms. I really didn't mind them (maybe I did while attending, but as soon as I was in Highschool I was wishing for my usual uniform back).

Now....I also had a tounge ring...when I was 19, not 14! And I have two tatooes...both I got after graduation from highschool.

Todays children look older, act older, think they are older than they really are. I wish that there was a rule on clothing and such. I personally do not think it blocks one from personal expression!

Great post BTW
Nik
 
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by nikki rae (PM , CC ) on Tuesday October 24, 2006 @ 6:02 PM




Scorpion,
The answer to your first question is an emphatic YES. I have told a few others that when a person agrees with me I only learn another way to say the same thing. But when a person disagrees I learn another way to look at things.

I see what you are saying about uniforms possibly leading down a slippery slope. At the same time your assertion that individuality may be oppressed makes me want to ask how individual is it if everyone is doing it? Would not the conformance to a ‘grungy’ look itself be a uniform?

We might be agreeing here, Scorpion. I often wonder what guidance younger people are getting from their parents. Yep, we are in agreement. Right on about mealtime and here’s something really off the wall.

I believe society began a downward spiral in the late fifties when housing contractors began building houses without front porches. We used to sit on the front porch and talk to our neighbors as they passed by. No more, eh? Half the time people don’t know who’s living right next door let alone a block away.

No disrespect taken, sir, never around here. Discussion is good and opposing points of view are necessary. I will pass by Reba and thank her for her recommendation as I thank you for your kind words as well.
 
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by lagniappe (PM , CC ) on Tuesday October 24, 2006 @ 7:12 PM




Gosh, Kristen, ain’t that the truth? It seems as though God has been under house arrest for sometime. As you accurately point out, it does seem the mission of many to get God out of the way altogether.

As for Lucifer, if you mean the one currently disrupting things around here, yes I mentioned to him that he thought he was Catholic. Either way Lucifer was, at one time, an archangel.
 
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by lagniappe (PM , CC ) on Tuesday October 24, 2006 @ 7:13 PM




Nicole,
I am coming to realize that the tattoo and metal stuff in this post may have been a little overboard on my part. I guess those things don’t really influence education and schoolhouse decorum on way or the other. Thanks for opening my eyes to this situation and the irrelevance of my position on those matters.
 
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by lagniappe (PM , CC ) on Tuesday October 24, 2006 @ 7:14 PM




Education is a process. It is not a recipe. If you don't want to learn, it doesn't matter what the school is like. The problem today, is that kids don't want to learn. Their parents think it is the school's and teacher's responsibility to teach.
Wrong. It is the students responsibility to learn. Anyplace, event or process can be education.

Public school, private school whatever. The best school today is the home school. The street is a better teacher than you will find in any school.

Let's make sure kids can add, subtract, multiply, divide, read, write and THINK. By the time they are 10-12 years old, if they have these basics, they can learn anything else. If they want.

Children learn 80% of everything they learn before they start school: they learn how to communicate, navigate and manipulate. The rest is frosting on the cake.

Instead of parents leaving education to schools, they should teach their children (well CSN) the basics and give them LOVE and food and shelter.

Of course that is why we are in the fix we are in. Kids go to school because there is no one home to RAISE them. Many parents today will tell you they would rather go to work than stay home and raise their children. The rest either pay someone to raise their kids, of HAVE NO CHOICE!

The school of hard knocks is where it's at after the basics.

Blah, blah blah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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by Fat Freddy (PM , CC ) on Tuesday October 24, 2006 @ 11:32 PM




Well, Fred, I’ll give you this. It is the responsibility of the student to want to learn in the first place. No doubt about that. The problem in your observation, to me anyway, is that kids 10-12 can’t do math, read or write let alone the four letter word: think.

Many nations in this world are racing past the United States in science, math and technology while younger people wear out their thumbs on donkey kong. I mean, the greatest achiever in high school is whomever wins the Madden 06 game. It goes back to your opening observation. Kids just aren’t motivated to learn. It isn’t important.

We already look to imports for better technology and better automobiles. How long before we have to import someone who can think? Hey, Fred, thanks for joining me in yet another round of blah, blah, blah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by lagniappe (PM , CC ) on Wednesday October 25, 2006 @ 12:37 AM




God bless you Langniappe may he guide you into wisdome and knowledge

Amazing Grace
Words by John Newton 1779

Amazing Grace! How sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me!
I once was lost, but now am found
Was blind, but now I see.

'Twas Grace that taught my heart to fear,
And Grace my fears relieved.
How precious did that Grace appear
The hour I first believed.

Through many dangers, toils, and snares
I have already come.
'Tis Grace hath brought me safe thus far
And Grace will lead me home.

The Lord has promised good to me.
His Word my hope secures.
He will my shield and portion be
As long as life endures.

When we've been there ten thousand years
Bright shining as the sun,
We've no less days to sing God's praise
Than when we'd first begun.
 
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by hope of prisoner (PM , CC ) on Wednesday October 25, 2006 @ 2:52 AM




Lucifer is again alive an well he just had to change the his name.
Is that not the nature of the beast?
Anyone up for talk about God?
 
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by Lucifer (PM , CC ) on Wednesday October 25, 2006 @ 11:19 AM




For starters, I think school uniforms would certainly do wonders to help return the emphasis back on education, and not the social stautus of the "haves" and "have nots"... not to mention the extremely provocative dress of young girls and the death row fashions of the boys.

I completely disagree that uniforms oppress individuality and is a slippery slope on the way to "Mein Kampf". To think I've been wearing the whites of the medical field for 15 years, and not once I have felt the loss of my identity, nor felt goose-stepping was just around the corner. I'd even go so far as to say my uniformed comrads at UPS, McDonalds, my dentist, and Jiffy Lube probably don't feel oppressed, either. We just change out of our uniforms at the end of the day.

I think that not separating the boys from the girls at school is a good thing... learning to socialize with the opposite sex is an important step in gaining maturity.

I like your theory about the lack of porches leading to the downfall of neighbors not knowing neighbors. There's something just so friendly and inviting about porches. I wish I had one...

I think society started going downhill when so many families became one-parent households thru divorce, or those for whom marriage never entered their minds, let alone knowing who their baby's father might be. (Just see one episode of Jerry Springer) And then there are the Type A over-achiever two income households who have no clue what their children are up to whilst they chase after the almighty dollar and keeping up with the Joneses.

Seems like nobody's home next door to talk to, even if I had a porch to sit on. :) -Six
 
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by SixFootBlonde (PM , CC ) on Wednesday October 25, 2006 @ 8:23 PM




Hey Six,
thanks for your agreement on the porch thing. We have a big one but not too many neighbors out in these woods. Y’all are sure welcome to come sit on this one any old time. Socializing is important but must it be during school? I haven’t been inside a high school in years but can only imagine something near pandemonium. I agree that uniforms would take a lot of stress and pressure off both student and parent. Your major point is very significant. The failure and neglect of parents. Very significant.
 
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by lagniappe (PM , CC ) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @ 2:14 AM


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   
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