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What is it with these Muslims? I have long thought that the wiser approach to peace in the Middle East was to try to better understand Islam. To better understand what motivates them. Alas, I have grown weary of trying. There is nothing to understand. The simple truth seems to come down to this: if you utter so much as one single word which casts Muslims in a less than bright light; you need to be dead. Nothing else will do. Dead.

This current imbroglio with the Pope brings to light, yet again, the inner workings of the minds of Muslims. Now, the Pope is not a stupid man. On the contrary, the Pope is a brilliant human being. A Catholic would hold the Pope in higher esteem than, say, a Lutheran would, but there would be a universality to the basic notion that the Pope is no idiot. I believe the Pope knew there would be a reaction to his recent comments. I believe his choice of references was deliberate.

Now the Muslims are back in the streets demanding an apology. Do any of you readers think an apology would ever be enough? No! Muslims want the Pope dead. Nothing else will do. Dead. It is not possible to apologize to a Muslim. Apologies fall on deaf ears. Apologies are for Westerners and sissies. Muslims ain’t no sissies! As a group they have an overwhelming inferiority complex but they ain’t no sissies.

If you have an axe to grind with the Pope and burn down an Eastern Orthodox Church; chances are you’re a Muslim. On the other hand if you have an axe to grind with the Pope and shoot a Catholic nun in the back, well you’re also probably a Muslim. Ah, sweet Islam. Come you unenlightened people of the world.

Come and embrace our religion of peace. Allah be praised! Say it. Say it now or we will kill you. Remember that fellow a few months back in Pakistan or Afghanistan that wanted to leave Islam and become a Christian? They wanted to execute him. This religion of peace wanted him dead. Nothing else will do. Dead.

Jews? Dead. Christians? Dead. Westerners? Dead. Science? Dead. Culture? Dead. Civilization? Dead. This religion of unthinking, mindless followers, this religion of peace, will settle for nothing less. There is no reasoning possible. There is no dialogue possible. There is no middle ground, no compromise. The grand Ayatollah of PooBah says kill all non-Muslims and the crowd hits the streets, guns ablazin’.

Muslims are called to prayer five or six times a day. I guess Mohammed knew his followers had short attention spans. Anyway, have you ever wondered just what the hell they are praying so fervently about? Five or six times a day they flock to the mosque, men over here women over there, kneeling, and a frequent kow-tow, about what?

Peace? Love? Brotherhood? Acceptance? Tolerance? Kindness? Wisdom? Understanding? Enlightenment? Guidance? If so you Muslims need to make that mosque trip ten or twelve times a day because five or six isn’t getting it done. Five or six trips are only leaving you frustrated and pissed off. It’s like they are hearing all of the joke except the punch line, as if Paul Harvey weren’t telling them the rest of the story.

Coming to terms with Islam seems almost impossible doesn’t it? But wait! Keep hope alive. Even though we have been waiting for decades we will soon hear from the worlds’ greatest living oxymoron. A moderate Muslim. Seems like something only John Lennon could imagine. A moderate Muslim.

Of course we may never hear from a moderate Muslim because they already know what we in the West are painfully learning the hard way. Moderate Muslims know the best path is to find comfort and safety in the silence of the lambs. If they speak out, their religion of peace will want them dead. Nothing else will do. Dead.

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lagniappe:

Here is an excerpt from an interesting article:

Muslims are not the only scriptural community to face challenges of interpretation. Jews and Christians who regard the Hebrew Scriptures as the Word of God must deal with the conquest of Canaan, the commandment of total cherem destruction, the violence of judges like Samson and the bloodshed of kings like David—among many other materials that suggest godly approval for aggressive warfare against non-believers.

Conversely, warring Christians who accept the authority of the Gospel must deal with the apparent prohibition of violence in the teachings and life example of Jesus. This discussion has been going on among Christians at least since the Crusades, when critics were heard to say "that it is not in accordance with the Christian religion to shed blood in this way, even that of wicked infidels. For Christ did not act thus."

Within the Christian community, one interpretive option is to read the Hebrew Scriptures through the prism of the Gospel. According to the Gospel, Jesus said that He had come not to abrogate the law and the prophets, but to fulfill them. Jesus then immediately replaced the law of retaliation with non-resistance, and commanded love for enemies (see Matthew 5:17, 38, 39, 44). This way of dealing with difficult materials raises many questions, but it has allowed Christians to pursue pacifism while holding to the authority of the Hebrew Scriptures.

Unfortunately, the Islamic principle of abrogation runs in the opposite chronological direction in relation to violence. Because the commands to fight and kill in the Koran are considered by Muslims to be among the recitations made very late in the life of the prophet of Islam—at a time when his conquest of Arabia was almost complete—Muslims scholars have been inclined to read the peaceful texts as subordinate to the later ones.

In other words, Muslims seeking to find a peaceful message in the Koran must fight not only the plain meaning of the Koran's text and the current fashion for militancy, but also the arrow of Muslim history.

Interpreting the words of Muslim scripture so that they pose no threat to peaceful coexistence with non-believers thus seems a large challenge. In view of the high stakes in the world today, however, it is certainly a challenge worth taking up. Otherwise, Canadian proponents of multiculturalism will have a harder time arguing that traditional Islam is just another peaceful element in Canada's multicultural quilt.

Gordon Nickel has a PhD in the earliest commentaries on the Koran and teaches at the Acts Seminaries, Langley, B.C.

Originally published in the National Post, June 13, 2006.
 
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by Whit's Whittlings (PM , CC ) on Monday September 18, 2006 @ 12:57 PM




Whit, thanks for the interesting read. It brings up an issue about which the US government seems little concerned. Canada's laissez-faire attitude toward their own multiculturalism creates an even more precarious situation at our northern border. The US, although doing little aside from talking, seems focused only on our southern border.  
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by lagniappe (PM , CC ) on Monday September 18, 2006 @ 2:09 PM




Whoa, I wouldn't want to be you when the Muslim Thought Police read this. Are you nuts??? They're going to want you DEAD, DEAD, DEAD. Of course, it will all be done peacefully and in the name of Allah. But still....ARE YOU NUTS!!  
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by Fuzzy (PM , CC ) on Monday September 18, 2006 @ 4:33 PM




Me? You’re the one who revealed the identity of the Muslim Thought Police. One day, Fuzzed infidel, one day. Here I thought moderate Muslim was a good oxymoron but you have out done me with Muslim thought. Move over Maytag repairman, Muslim Thought Police has got to be the loneliest job in town.

Reactionaries don’t think. Thinking goes against their grain. When the doctor hits your knee with that little rubber hammer, your knee won’t ever jerk if you sit there thinking about it.

Naturally the answer to your rhetorical question is yes, I am nuts.
 
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by lagniappe (PM , CC ) on Monday September 18, 2006 @ 6:12 PM




After researching and trying to better understand, along with study, I will just admit defeat on this one.

I see no correlation between a peaceful people and a war thirsty religion.

ALTHOUGH...I do personally know ones of the Muslim Faith and they are the kindest, warmest people I have ever met.
But they are not radicals, as in any flock some sheep will stray.

Human beings are good by nature, although some are evil.

Thank You for this post!
Peace...Solid
 
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by Solid Ground (PM , CC ) on Tuesday September 19, 2006 @ 2:18 AM




For every Muslim that the media depicts burning the Pope in effigy, there are thousands of Muslims who are NOT demanding his death and who are not using Islam as an avenue for violence (much as some extremist christians/catholics sometimes use biblical passages to justify war or deaths of doctors). The majority of Muslims are reasonable, peaceful people.  
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by The Valkyrie (PM , CC ) on Tuesday September 19, 2006 @ 3:36 PM




Dang lagniappe,

That was pretty tough. While many point you made are as true as they can be, you cant just lump all Muslims into to one pot and suggest they think alike. They do not. After working on college campuses for 18 years, I can vouch for the diversity of thought. Sure they want to stick together, and sure many are calling for for Pope's head. But most are not. Its is an insult to speak to them and to speak agains Muhummad. But as you put it, most of the Muslims I have met here are moderates. And now that I think about it, they would much rather not make many public comments. Can you blame them though. This is not a good climate for a radical Muslim.

Let the Pope have his say, to me he is just another religious figurehead trying to further the cause of Catholicism. No real power for the Pope. That went away after the Reformation.
 
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by Art M. (PM , CC ) on Tuesday September 19, 2006 @ 4:56 PM




Here’s an interesting aside, Solid. Many months ago I was writing a post called “Don’t Shoot The Messenger” the point of which was that gun-barrel diplomacy was the wrong approach in the Middle East. Understanding their religion and focusing on their motivations seemed more sensible. I went to the library and checked out the Koran.

I had to show two separate pieces of ID and they wrote down my drivers license number! It struck me that there is a fundamental fear of Muslims within this country. The entire country and anything Muslim. I, like you, have befriended a family of Muslims of Lebanese decent. The husband and his wife, her parents and their two children. They purchased a gas station/mini mart about 5 miles out of the woods from my house.


The place used to be a hangout for many of the ‘locals’ that are scattered about these woods. The business now is next to none. Sometimes, when we are talking, I look into the man’s eyes and I know that he knows why business has deteriorated. I feel badly for them but am at a loss for words.
I mean, I want to apologize for the behavior of the locals. In this case, using your words, the good human beings are these people struggling to make their way in our country and the evil people are the locals.
Thanks a lot for stopping by, it means a lot to me. I always appreciate your input.
 
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by lagniappe (PM , CC ) on Tuesday September 19, 2006 @ 5:36 PM




Valkyrie,
Hundreds indeed! Millions of them. What baffles me is their reluctance to speak out. Why do they standby as their faith, their religion, the very fiber of their being, is being perverted by images of violence and death? In Iraq, Muslims are killing Muslims!

Oh sure, the Christian coalition uses their Bible to justify many things I would disagree with but I am already in trouble here on the blogstream so I’m not quite ready to take on the hypocrisy that has become Christianity, or vice-versa, whichever. I hear Christians talking the talk but I rarely see them walking the walk.
 
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by lagniappe (PM , CC ) on Tuesday September 19, 2006 @ 5:38 PM




One of the first scenes I witnssed on a newscast after word of the Pope's speech made its rounds was of a group of peace-loving Muslims burning the man in effigy.  
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by MrOrnery1851 (PM , CC ) on Tuesday September 19, 2006 @ 6:40 PM




Art,
If the Pope has no real power, as you say, why would some Muslims be offended at all? I don’t lump them all into one pot, I am wondering where the Moderate Muslims are. Why, as you say, “they would much rather not make many public comments”. That’s the puzzler. I can’t imagine anyone better to talk to a Muslim than a Muslim. Can you?

It’s an insult to speak against Mohammed. Okay. Is it okay to speak against God? Jesus? How about Martin Luther? John Knox? Jim Jones? Tammy Faye Baker? Malcolm X? Where does it end, Art? If a Muslim tells me that Jesus Christ was full of crap I’m not about to burn down the mosque. Non-believers can say whatever they want to. It’s no skin... .

The quotes used by the Pope were in support of the notion that religion should not be used as a justification for violence. Guess what happened. Violence. They proved his point. You are welcome to see the Pope in any light you wish, I promise not to torch the local A.M.E. congregation, but I will tell you a wish I have.

I wish Islam had One Universal Leader. One head honcho that interpreted the Koran appropriately and required that they all follow that interpretation. Part of the Muslim problems now are the result of the disconnect between radical and moderate worldwide. Teachings vary from one country to another, one mosque to another.
 
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by lagniappe (PM , CC ) on Tuesday September 19, 2006 @ 6:45 PM




There you go McOrnery, go figure, eh? Here's something else that seemed pretty stupid. Not only were they burning the Pope in effigy but also the German flag (as if there is a plethora of Catholics in Germany) and the American flag(the Vatican running the White House. Long time since I heard that one, like maybe 1960). I guess they didn't want to waste a good fire.  
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by lagniappe (PM , CC ) on Tuesday September 19, 2006 @ 6:50 PM




More parties, less politics, IMO. 8-)

HALLOWEEN PARTY,
&
YOU ARE INVITED!


It's a bit early, I know, but this is a chance to go back in time and attend the 2005 Halloween party that you missed!

See you at CLARK COUNTY HORROR over on Memories and Moments.

AAAAAWOOOOOOO
 
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by GrannyJo (PM , CC ) on Wednesday September 20, 2006 @ 8:33 AM




Granny,
I didn’t miss a 2005 Halloween Party I held a 2005 Halloween Party. Your absence was duly noted at that time.
 
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by lagniappe (PM , CC ) on Wednesday September 20, 2006 @ 12:21 PM




Hey lag...just peeking my head in to see how your doing tonight!!
Peace...Solid
 
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by Solid Ground (PM , CC ) on Wednesday September 20, 2006 @ 10:14 PM




Not speaking out, not standing up against the opposition...sounds like a description of America as well as a description of moderate Muslims who don't embrace the radical ideology.

How much have we lost in our own country, because millions of Americans went along with the lies of this administration? How many of our RIGHTS have been usurped, and are now recaste as privileges, because millions of Americans preferred to tune in to the latest episode of American Idol than to pay attention to what's been going on in DC?

I suspect it may be the same mentality at work. Shrugging off politics saying 'they've always been crooks' is not too different from just saying 'we're moderate, we're not them', and not really making sure people see the difference, not really getting involved. In both cases, people aren't getting involved.

Maybe I'm off base, but I think there may be at least some similarities there....?
 
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by Renegade (PM , CC ) on Thursday September 21, 2006 @ 6:59 PM




Hey rene,
Why did the chicken cross the road? To talk with you halfway across. I couldn't agree with you more, and yours is an effective analogy. We moderate people just won't seem to stand up. We are victims of our own apathy then complain about how things are going.
 
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by lagniappe (PM , CC ) on Friday September 22, 2006 @ 1:07 PM




I've been off line for while and see that I missed a whole bunch of really interesting posts. I've been reading for the last 3 anyway. I am not going to comment on this post exactly because apparently the Muslims I know are of the moderate variety and they say that the bulk of Muslims think as they do. That having been said, I'm not sure that I entirely believe them. They came here for safety and a chance at a better life. Safety from whom?

I also know a few Christians who would put the radical Muslims to shame in the "Dead" category. I guess it all depends on which side of the divide you are on.

Sherry

 
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by Sherry'sCherries (PM , CC ) on Tuesday September 26, 2006 @ 7:43 PM




Lagniappe,

Geez--I've missed a lot for the past two weeks. I've been working overtime.

Anyhoo--great post. The "...dead!" part reminded me of Animal House a bit. I was eating lunch near the local university today and saw some muslims of a sect I haven't seen before (one guy was wearing a dress and a diaper. First I thought he was a muslim crossdresser!).

The thought that came unbidden to my mind was, "I bet this guy is here to plan terrorist attacks." Who knows what the truth is, but if I was minding the borders, he'd need a better reason than "I want to go to school in America" to get off the plane.
 
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by fastluck (PM , CC ) on Tuesday September 26, 2006 @ 8:43 PM




Standby, Sherry, the Christian post is next up and it's going to annoy a whole bunch of "Christians". Your point about safety is duly noted and I, like you, wonder the same. I was halfway kidding about their being fearful of retaliation if they spoke out but maybe so. God, or Allah, knows the moderate Muslim chooses silence for some reason.

Thanks for the visit and welcome back online. Your absence was noted over here.
 
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by lagniappe (PM , CC ) on Wednesday September 27, 2006 @ 12:13 AM




A dress? and a diaper? Maybe that's got something to do with the beginning of Ramadan. Better yet maybe he was flying down to celebrate the reopening of the Superdome.

That only want to go to school line only works if you are going to Montana State. OBTW: isn't it about time you started writing some of that good stuff you used to write? I been going over but no new posts. Get busy! Enough with the overtime, it ain't even Christmas yet.
 
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by lagniappe (PM , CC ) on Wednesday September 27, 2006 @ 12:19 AM




I just don't understand why we put up with all of that Muslim intolerance. We've got that fine Christian leader Pat Robertson, and he'll tell you we have the means to "take them out". What are we waiting for? Dead, dead, dead... Ig  
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by Ignatious 'O (PM , CC ) on Thursday September 28, 2006 @ 1:43 PM




You know, Igno, I think we put up with it because we have become so incredibly politically correct. We also have so many laws in place that they stumble over each other. If we were to really be aggressive about going after these thugs the bleeding hearts would have a field day complaining about that approach. We are left to sit on our hands and take it and like it.  
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by lagniappe (PM , CC ) on Friday September 29, 2006 @ 9:59 AM




Please if you are you going to quote me then attribute the quote to me. It does not offend me. And I would have more respect for you.

I do not feel bad about saying the guy is a loser.

Nor I do feel bad about saying I was going to pray for him.

I do wish I had taken the time to spell it pray and not prey in my original comment, but pray is what I was talking about.

So now I am hater too?

Nope just stating an opinion like you do.

Some of the comments you also mentioned I thought were terrible as you did.

I know you are getting crap you don't deserve. I hope it ceases and it is not justified, none of that mess is.

Have a nice day,
Prank
 
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by Prank (PM , CC ) on Wednesday October 4, 2006 @ 2:58 PM


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   
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